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Is "faggot" related "fasces" or "fascis"? And fascist + fascism?
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News Journalism
2010-03-12 21:57:29 UTC
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Is the word "faggot" related to the word "fasces" or "fascis"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might have
originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that
from the word "fasces" or "fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing
"authority" in ancient Rome), which was the origin of the political
term "fascist" and "fascism." http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."

Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.

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B. T. Raven
2010-03-13 00:35:25 UTC
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It probably derives from "a roll of seasoned chopped liver."
Post by News Journalism
Is the word "faggot" related to the word "fasces" or "fascis"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might have
originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that
from the word "fasces" or "fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing
"authority" in ancient Rome), which was the origin of the political
term "fascist" and "fascism." http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congress
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy School http://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coin http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courts http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg
n***@gmail.com
2016-01-30 21:25:49 UTC
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Post by News Journalism
Is the word "faggot" related to the word "fasces" or "fascis"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might have
originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that
from the word "fasces" or "fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing
"authority" in ancient Rome), which was the origin of the political
term "fascist" and "fascism." http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congress
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy School http://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coin http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courts http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg
This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry and is available on Amazon:
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the "flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Ed Cryer
2016-01-31 12:58:14 UTC
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Post by News Journalism
Is the word "faggot" related to the word "fasces" or "fascis"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might have
originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that
from the word "fasces" or "fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing
"authority" in ancient Rome), which was the origin of the political
term "fascist" and "fascism." http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congress
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy School http://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coin http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courts http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the "flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Latin "fascis" meant a bundle.
The plural "fasces" was the bundle of rods and an axe that made up the
symbol of office carried by lictors, consular attendants. The lictors
would go before the consuls when travelling or walking through the
streets, and anyone not giving way would have soon found out the meaning
of the symbolism.

Ed
John W Kennedy
2016-01-31 19:22:31 UTC
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The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use "rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
re cry
2023-08-16 14:02:01 UTC
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The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use "rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry and is available on Amazon:

"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).

In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.

The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the "flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Ian Tinny
2023-08-16 14:08:04 UTC
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The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use "rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry and is available on Amazon:

"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).

In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
Daniel Ruth
2024-01-29 19:21:20 UTC
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The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use "rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
Dr. Rex Curry, the famed linguist, is mentioned in these links for Lew Rockwell's site -

“The expert on the Pledge is Dr. Rex Curry. His website contains many disturbing photos of early pledge takers. Here is a sample.” -Greg Sutton
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/our-father-who-art-in-washington/

“Rex Curry is the historian who revealed amazing discoveries including (1) that the USA’s Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior adopted later in Germany under Hitler’s socialism, and (2) that the so-called “swastika” symbol was used to represent “S” letter shapes for “SOCIALISM” under Hitler.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/03/gary-d-barnett/the-evil-intent-of-the-pledge-of-allegiance/

"…[D]ogs are natural libertarians…," says Rex Curry, a lawyer who defends victims indicted when dogs supposedly smell something Our Masters forbid us on them. Dogs "have to be constantly taught to detect drug odors and approach peaceful humans and search them, so that humans can be arrested, handcuffed and imprisoned for decades. That is not an easy trick to teach a dog. It is easier to teach humans." Bravo! Two points for Rex and Rover!
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/03/becky-akers/the-tsas-dogs-of-war/

Here is a new definition of capitalism -
Capitalism is your never-ending struggle to outpace socialism and socialism’s ever-growing taxation, inflation, regulation (TIF) and its economic ruin, poverty, starvation, and death.

Most people never think of their lives as constant work to endure the robbery of socialism etc. So much of life is socialist slavery. Yet everyone is taught to blame capitalism and to beg for more socialism as the solution. Have a nice day!
Ed Cryer
2024-01-29 20:27:52 UTC
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Post by n***@gmail.com
The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use "rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
Dr. Rex Curry, the famed linguist, is mentioned in these links for Lew Rockwell's site -
“The expert on the Pledge is Dr. Rex Curry. His website contains many disturbing photos of early pledge takers. Here is a sample.” -Greg Sutton
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/our-father-who-art-in-washington/
“Rex Curry is the historian who revealed amazing discoveries including (1) that the USA’s Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior adopted later in Germany under Hitler’s socialism, and (2) that the so-called “swastika” symbol was used to represent “S” letter shapes for “SOCIALISM” under Hitler.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/03/gary-d-barnett/the-evil-intent-of-the-pledge-of-allegiance/
"…[D]ogs are natural libertarians…," says Rex Curry, a lawyer who defends victims indicted when dogs supposedly smell something Our Masters forbid us on them. Dogs "have to be constantly taught to detect drug odors and approach peaceful humans and search them, so that humans can be arrested, handcuffed and imprisoned for decades. That is not an easy trick to teach a dog. It is easier to teach humans." Bravo! Two points for Rex and Rover!
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/03/becky-akers/the-tsas-dogs-of-war/
Here is a new definition of capitalism -
Capitalism is your never-ending struggle to outpace socialism and socialism’s ever-growing taxation, inflation, regulation (TIF) and its economic ruin, poverty, starvation, and death.
Most people never think of their lives as constant work to endure the robbery of socialism etc. So much of life is socialist slavery. Yet everyone is taught to blame capitalism and to beg for more socialism as the solution. Have a nice day!
In the UK nobody uses "faggot" to mean gay. We have other derogative terms.
How it arose in the USA, my best guess is from the "fagging" systems of
old English public schools.
Research that.
t400ec
2024-01-30 19:38:03 UTC
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Eduardus Edo de origine vocabuli sermonis trivialis Americani disserens,
salute. plurima. dici.:

Scripsisti: "Hoc investigato." Quod feci.

vale

Here's the clear dope and skinny on 'faggot' from the world capital of
English etymology in Minnesota( it's from 'pimp'):

https://blog.oup.com/2007/06/part_two/

On fasces, secures (neckaxes) don't be confused by historicasters. For
the Roman lictors, this was a kind of portable threshing machine cum
guillotine. If an uppity plebs wasn't convinced by being nearly beaten
to death then the 'persuader' could be unpacked from the middle of the
bundle.

vetted and therefore eminently believable articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_D%27Annunzio

b.t.
Post by Ed Cryer
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Post by John W Kennedy
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The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use
"rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in
anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the
Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the etymologist
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound
together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the
word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British))
as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and
via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and
"faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard
letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase
"fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning.
Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot
on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early
"Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the
socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North
Korea, et cetera.
Dr. Rex Curry, the famed linguist, is mentioned in these links for Lew Rockwell's site -
“The expert on the Pledge is Dr. Rex Curry. His website contains many
disturbing photos of early pledge takers. Here is a sample.” -Greg Sutton
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/our-father-who-art-in-washington/
“Rex Curry is the historian who revealed amazing discoveries including
(1) that the USA’s Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was the origin of
the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior adopted later in Germany under
Hitler’s socialism, and (2) that the so-called “swastika” symbol was
used to represent “S” letter shapes for “SOCIALISM” under Hitler.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/03/gary-d-barnett/the-evil-intent-of-the-pledge-of-allegiance/
"…[D]ogs are natural libertarians…," says Rex Curry, a lawyer who
defends victims indicted when dogs supposedly smell something Our
Masters forbid us on them. Dogs "have to be constantly taught to
detect drug odors and approach peaceful humans and search them, so
that humans can be arrested, handcuffed and imprisoned for decades.
That is not an easy trick to teach a dog. It is easier to teach
humans." Bravo! Two points for Rex and Rover!
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/03/becky-akers/the-tsas-dogs-of-war/
Here is a new definition of capitalism -
Capitalism is your never-ending struggle to outpace socialism and
socialism’s ever-growing taxation, inflation, regulation (TIF) and its
economic ruin, poverty, starvation, and death.
Most people never think of their lives as constant work to endure the
robbery of socialism etc. So much of life is socialist slavery. Yet
everyone is taught to blame capitalism and to beg for more socialism
as the solution. Have a nice day!
In the UK nobody uses "faggot" to mean gay. We have other derogative terms.
How it arose in the USA, my best guess is from the "fagging" systems of
old English public s
Ed Cryer
2024-02-02 19:15:23 UTC
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Post by t400ec
Eduardus Edo de origine vocabuli sermonis trivialis Americani disserens,
Scripsisti: "Hoc investigato." Quod feci.
vale
Here's the clear dope and skinny on 'faggot' from the world capital of
https://blog.oup.com/2007/06/part_two/
On fasces, secures (neckaxes) don't be confused by historicasters. For
the Roman lictors, this was a kind of portable threshing machine cum
guillotine. If an uppity plebs wasn't convinced by being nearly beaten
to death then the 'persuader' could be unpacked from the middle of the
bundle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_D%27Annunzio
b.t.
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The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from
the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the
"flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."
Stop calling yourself "news.journalism". Use
"rubbish.internet.rumors" instead.
--
John W Kennedy
"The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in
anything...."
-- Emile Cammaerts, "The Laughing Prophet"
This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the
Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound
together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus,
the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot
(British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr.
Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces"
and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a
hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound
or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase
"fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning.
Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot
on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early
"Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of
the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in
North Korea, et cetera.
Dr. Rex Curry, the famed linguist, is mentioned in these links for
Lew Rockwell's site -
“The expert on the Pledge is Dr. Rex Curry. His website contains many
disturbing photos of early pledge takers. Here is a sample.” -Greg Sutton
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/our-father-who-art-in-washington/
“Rex Curry is the historian who revealed amazing discoveries
including (1) that the USA’s Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was the
origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior adopted later in Germany
under Hitler’s socialism, and (2) that the so-called “swastika”
symbol was used to represent “S” letter shapes for “SOCIALISM” under
Hitler.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/03/gary-d-barnett/the-evil-intent-of-the-pledge-of-allegiance/
"…[D]ogs are natural libertarians…," says Rex Curry, a lawyer who
defends victims indicted when dogs supposedly smell something Our
Masters forbid us on them. Dogs "have to be constantly taught to
detect drug odors and approach peaceful humans and search them, so
that humans can be arrested, handcuffed and imprisoned for decades.
That is not an easy trick to teach a dog. It is easier to teach
humans." Bravo! Two points for Rex and Rover!
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/03/becky-akers/the-tsas-dogs-of-war/
Here is a new definition of capitalism -
Capitalism is your never-ending struggle to outpace socialism and
socialism’s ever-growing taxation, inflation, regulation (TIF) and
its economic ruin, poverty, starvation, and death.
Most people never think of their lives as constant work to endure the
robbery of socialism etc. So much of life is socialist slavery. Yet
everyone is taught to blame capitalism and to beg for more socialism
as the solution. Have a nice day!
In the UK nobody uses "faggot" to mean gay. We have other derogative terms.
How it arose in the USA, my best guess is from the "fagging" systems
of old English public schools.
Research that.
Ed
Your opinion of fasces and lictors might well hold true. In one of his
letters Cicero complains how twelve of them had to accompany him
everywhere while he held "imperium". And those rods and axe screamed
punishment. And the lictors were chosen for size and powerfulness.
Imagine a consul coming down from the Palatine in the morning into the
Forum. You'd hear them coming, and you'd just have to get out of their
way. Authority making itself heard and seen. "Make way, make way; consul
of Rome coming through".

But how does all that relate to sexual orientation? Were they all gay? I
doubt it.

All that speaks power and authority. Whereas "faggot" shouts depowered.
On the other hand, the fags of Eton were almost slaves to their elde
Ed Cryer
2024-02-02 19:32:49 UTC
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