quid=quod?

[Klaus Scholl]

Hi, what is the Difference between Quid and Quod:
Quid Nomen tibi ?=? Quod Nomen tibi
Both Pronouns are NOM singular & ACC singular.
Is 'quid' used for the NOM, while 'quod' is used for the ACC,
or are both interchangeable?
Greet from Klaus.

[Edward Casey]

Post by Klaus Scholl
Quid Nomen tibi ?=? Quod Nomen tibi
Both Pronouns are NOM singular & ACC singular.
Is 'quid' used for the NOM, while 'quod' is used for the ACC,
or are both interchangeable?
Greet from Klaus.

Quid is interrogative and quod is relative:
Quid facis? Id facio quod me facere jussisti.

[Caligula]

Post by Edward Casey
Quid facis? Id facio quod me facere jussisti.

- Quod genus nuntii attulit ?
- Nullum.

[Edward Casey]

Post by Caligula

Post by Edward Casey
Quid facis? Id facio quod me facere jussisti.

- Quod genus nuntii attulit ?
- Nullum.

Recte mones. Sed qui, quae, quod sunt et praenomina et adjectiva. Id
genus, hoc genus, quod genus, quamquam non inclinantur in casus, ferme
eadem sunt ac eius generis, huius generis, cuius generis. Est sermo
cotidianus quo plerumque prisci Romani dicebant "Quod genus nuntium
attulit (cuius generis nuntium attulit, quid nuntii attulit)?" Hic
vocabulum ut adjectivum adhibetur et vis interrogativa verbis junctis
inest, non verbo soli "quod."

Eduardus

[Klaus Scholl]

Thanks, i have understood this,
quid is NOM, and quod is ACC.
Greet from Klaus.

[Edward Casey]

Post by Klaus Scholl
Thanks, i have understood this,
quid is NOM, and quod is ACC.
Greet from Klaus.

I don't think so. Quid is an interrogative pronoun. Quod is either a
relative pronoun or an adjective, either interrogative or not.

Eduardus

[Giljoyroy]

I would say that "quod" is the neuter form of "qui" (masc.) and therefore
basicly a relative pronoun. It does not ask a question. It only links a neuter
noun of a clause with another clause. Thus: Pilum quod Caesar habebat erat
grave. (The Javelin that Caesar had was heavy.)
Quid, on the other hand, is an interogative pronoun in the neuter. Quid dicis?
(What do you say?). It can be used also in indirect questions: Numquam
confitemini quid putetis. (Never tell what you think.)
However, the interrogative adjective (not pronoun) "qui" has its neuter form as
"quod". One would say: "Quod pilum Caesari erat?" What javelin belonged to
Caesar? In an interrogation "quod" cannot be used unless it is with a noun.
What javelin? What war (quod bellum) Quod templum? (What temple).
I believe this is the basic difference

[Klaus Scholl]

Post by Giljoyroy
I would say that "quod" is the neuter form of "qui" (masc.) and therefore
basicly a relative pronoun. It does not ask a question. It only links a neuter
noun of a clause with another clause. Thus: Pilum quod Caesar habebat erat
grave. (The Javelin that Caesar had was heavy.)
Quid, on the other hand, is an interogative pronoun in the neuter. Quid dicis?
(What do you say?). It can be used also in indirect questions: Numquam
confitemini quid putetis. (Never tell what you think.)
However, the interrogative adjective (not pronoun) "qui" has its neuter form as
"quod". One would say: "Quod pilum Caesari erat?" What javelin belonged to
Caesar? In an interrogation "quod" cannot be used unless it is with a noun.
What javelin? What war (quod bellum) Quod templum? (What temple).
I believe this is the basic difference

Thanks. As far as i understand:
Quid is used rarer than Quod,
and solely without Noun, while Quod is used with a Noun,
so man would say 'Quid dicis?' but 'Quod Nomen tibi?'.
Quid stands for a Noun, quod is an adjective (or relative Pronoun).
Greet from Klaus.

[Johannes Patruus]

Post by Giljoyroy

Post by Giljoyroy
I would say that "quod" is the neuter form of "qui" (masc.) and therefore
basicly a relative pronoun. It does not ask a question. It only links a

neuter

Post by Giljoyroy
noun of a clause with another clause. Thus: Pilum quod Caesar habebat erat
grave. (The Javelin that Caesar had was heavy.)
Quid, on the other hand, is an interogative pronoun in the neuter. Quid

dicis?

Post by Giljoyroy
(What do you say?). It can be used also in indirect questions: Numquam
confitemini quid putetis. (Never tell what you think.)
However, the interrogative adjective (not pronoun) "qui" has its neuter

form as

Post by Giljoyroy
"quod". One would say: "Quod pilum Caesari erat?" What javelin belonged

to

Post by Giljoyroy
Caesar? In an interrogation "quod" cannot be used unless it is with a

noun.

Post by Giljoyroy
What javelin? What war (quod bellum) Quod templum? (What temple).
I believe this is the basic difference

Quid is used rarer than Quod,
and solely without Noun, while Quod is used with a Noun,
so man would say 'Quid dicis?' but 'Quod Nomen tibi?'.
Quid stands for a Noun, quod is an adjective (or relative Pronoun).
Greet from Klaus.

What I suspect you need to grasp is the distinction between the
interrogative ADJECTIVE (which has the same three-column declension table as
the relative), and the interrogative PRONOUN which has its own two-column
declension table in the singular. (The distinctions disappear in the
plural.)

It's all set out in this PDF, with examples at the foot of the page:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/101/RelativePronouns.pdf

All rather confusing, I admit.

Johannes

[rolleston]

Post by Johannes Patruus
What I suspect you need to grasp is the distinction between the
interrogative ADJECTIVE (which has the same three-column declension table as
the relative), and the interrogative PRONOUN which has its own two-column
declension table in the singular. (The distinctions disappear in the
plural.)
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/101/RelativePronouns.pdf
All rather confusing, I admit.

Things would be less confusing if all authors observed the
disctinction as you have given it. They do not. Indeed, in
the document you have mentioned the interrogative adjective
occurs in a section entitled

Relative & Interrogative Pronoun

Of course, that does not mean that that is all that may be found
there. But a careless reader might conclude that the interrogative
adjective is an interrogative pronoun, especially as other authors
seem to regard it as such.

For example, Charles Bennett in A Latin Grammar, section 90,
entitled `Interrogative Pronouns':

The interrogative pronouns are quis, who? (substantive) and
qui, what?, what kind of? (adjective).

Allen and Greenough in New Latin Grammar write:

The Adjective Interrogative Pronoun, quí, quae, quod, what
kind of? what? which? is declined throughout like ...

Again, this is found in a section named Interrogative Pronouns, not
Interrogative Pronouns and Adjectives. It's beginning to look as
though a relative adjective is a relative pronoun, albeit of a
particular type...

R.

[Johannes Patruus]

Post by rolleston

Post by Johannes Patruus
What I suspect you need to grasp is the distinction between the
interrogative ADJECTIVE (which has the same three-column declension table as
the relative), and the interrogative PRONOUN which has its own two-column
declension table in the singular. (The distinctions disappear in the
plural.)
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/101/RelativePronouns.pdf
All rather confusing, I admit.

Things would be less confusing if all authors observed the
disctinction as you have given it. They do not. Indeed, in
the document you have mentioned the interrogative adjective
occurs in a section entitled
Relative & Interrogative Pronoun
Of course, that does not mean that that is all that may be found
there. But a careless reader might conclude that the interrogative
adjective is an interrogative pronoun, especially as other authors
seem to regard it as such.
For example, Charles Bennett in A Latin Grammar, section 90,
The interrogative pronouns are quis, who? (substantive) and
qui, what?, what kind of? (adjective).
The Adjective Interrogative Pronoun, quí, quae, quod, what
kind of? what? which? is declined throughout like ...
Again, this is found in a section named Interrogative Pronouns, not
Interrogative Pronouns and Adjectives.

Well, it just seemed to me that that PDF set out the basics in a more
readily intelligible manner than the textbooks, and that's why I
selected it for citation.

Post by rolleston
It's beginning to look as
though a relative adjective is a relative pronoun, albeit of
a particular type...

Relative adjective?? Relatives nearly always seem to be pronouns
rather than adjectives in both Latin and English. An example of what I
believe could be termed a relative adjective occurs in the phrase
"which method" in the Abstract of US Patent Specification 6,649,615
(http://tinyurl.com/w6l9):

QUOTE
The present invention relates to a method for inhibiting hepatic
fibrogenesis, especially liver fibrogenesis, which method comprises
administering an effective amount of an alpha-adrenergic receptor
antagonist to a patient in need of such treatment.
UNQUOTE

I wonder if the "quem" of "quem locum" in the following Allen &
Greenough citation (§307a, http://tinyurl.com/w6ll) could be
categorised in the same way:

loci natura erat haec quem locum nostri delegerant.
the nature of the ground which our men had chosen was this.

I could never have made it as a grammarian!

Johannes

[rolleston]

Post by Johannes Patruus
Relative adjective?? Relatives nearly always seem to be pronouns
rather than adjectives in both Latin and English.

I'm sorry my correction was posted too late to avoid this.

Post by Johannes Patruus
loci natura erat haec quem locum nostri delegerant.
the nature of the ground which our men had chosen was this.

I suppose one might treat `quem locum' as pronoun and noun in
apposition. It seems reasonable to ask what test could be applied
to separate the two possibilities.

I have some difficulties with my relatives. In particular, I'm
not sure what the antecents are for indefinite relative pronouns
and relative adverbs (e.g., quicumque and ubi).

R.

[rolleston]

Post by rolleston
Interrogative Pronouns and Adjectives. It's beginning to look as
though a relative adjective is a relative pronoun, albeit of a
particular type...

For `relative' above substitute `interrogative'.
I don't know how that crept in.

R.