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A Town Like Alice, Nevil Shute
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Ed Cryer
2024-07-29 17:51:43 UTC
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Oppidum ut Alicia.

Optimi libri temporum modernorum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels

Alicia locum XVII tenet; Trustee From The Toolroom (Commissarius
Operarius) XXVII; On The Beach (In Litore) LVI.

Edus
Ed Cryer
2024-07-30 19:02:39 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Oppidum ut Alicia.
Optimi libri temporum modernorum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
Alicia locum XVII tenet; Trustee From The Toolroom (Commissarius
Operarius) XXVII; On The Beach (In Litore) LVI.
Edus
Abos, boongs and golliwogs.

Hic liber est talibus modis appellationis repletus. Non est "woke";
quod, nisi fallor, nihil vult dicere praeter dignationem datam.

Edus
t400ec
2024-08-04 03:57:42 UTC
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In hoc indice (Bibliothecae Modernae) centum fabularum optimarum
(anglice scriptum) invenio _Cor est venator solitarius_ non _Oppidum
instar Aliciae [Fontium]. Apud nexum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
tantum 10 fabulae describuntur sed ab eisdem criticis datur index operum
fictivorum et non fictivorum heic:
https://sites.prh.com/modern-library-top-100#top-100-novels
Multi sunt tales indices; in uno operibus Britannicis dicato invenio in
primum locum _Middlemarch_ a Georgio Eliot (Maria Anna Evans) scriptum.

vale
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Post by Ed Cryer
Oppidum ut Alicia.
Optimi libri temporum modernorum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
Alicia locum XVII tenet; Trustee From The Toolroom (Commissarius
Operarius) XXVII; On The Beach (In Litore) LVI.
Edus
Abos, boongs and golliwogs.
Hic liber est talibus modis appellationis repletus. Non est "woke";
quod, nisi fallor, nihil vult dicere praeter dignationem datam.
Edus
Ed Cryer
2024-08-04 09:33:40 UTC
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Post by t400ec
In hoc indice (Bibliothecae Modernae) centum fabularum optimarum
(anglice scriptum) invenio _Cor est venator solitarius_ non _Oppidum
instar Aliciae [Fontium]. Apud nexum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
tantum 10 fabulae describuntur sed ab eisdem criticis datur index operum
https://sites.prh.com/modern-library-top-100#top-100-novels
Multi sunt tales indices; in uno operibus Britannicis dicato invenio in
primum locum _Middlemarch_ a Georgio Eliot (Maria Anna Evans) scriptum.
vale
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Ed Cryer
Oppidum ut Alicia.
Optimi libri temporum modernorum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
Alicia locum XVII tenet; Trustee From The Toolroom (Commissarius
Operarius) XXVII; On The Beach (In Litore) LVI.
Edus
Abos, boongs and golliwogs.
Hic liber est talibus modis appellationis repletus. Non est "woke";
quod, nisi fallor, nihil vult dicere praeter dignationem datam.
Edus
Veniam peto, Eduarde. Me culpa.
Ut scripsisti, sunt multi tales indices.

Edus
t400ec
2024-08-04 17:58:22 UTC
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Here's my ordering up until the point that I got bored with it:
(very idiosyncratic)

77. FINNEGANS WAKE by James Joyce
1. ULYSSES by James Joyce
3. A PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS A YOUNG MAN by James Joyce


6. THE SOUND AND THE FURY by William Faulkner
35. AS I LAY DYING by William Faulkner
54. LIGHT IN AUGUST by William Faulkner

8. DARKNESS AT NOON by Arthur Koestler

12. THE WAY OF ALL FLESH by Samuel Butler

15. TO THE LIGHTHOUSE by Virginia Woolf

26. THE WINGS OF THE DOVE by Henry James
32. THE GOLDEN BOWL by Henry James
27. THE AMBASSADORS by Henry James

46. THE SECRET AGENT by Joseph Conrad
47. NOSTROMO by Joseph Conrad
85. LORD JIM by Joseph Conrad

25. A PASSAGE TO INDIA by E.M. Forster
79. A ROOM WITH A VIEW by E.M. Forster

48. THE RAINBOW by D.H. Lawrence
49. WOMEN IN LOVE by D.H. Lawrence

2. THE GREAT GATSBY by F. Scott Fitzgerald

13. 1984 by George Orwell
31. ANIMAL FARM by George Orwell

19. INVISIBLE MAN by Ralph Ellison

20. NATIVE SON by Richard Wright

82. ANGLE OF REPOSE by Wallace Stegner

41. LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding

42. DELIVERANCE by James Dickey

95. UNDER THE NET by Iris Murdoch

96. SOPHIE’S CHOICE by William Styron

74. A FAREWELL TO ARMS by Ernest Hemingway
45. THE SUN ALSO RISES by Ernest Hemingway

68. MAIN STREET by Sinclair Lewis

53. PALE FIRE by Vladimir Nabokov
4. LOLITA by Vladimir Nabokov

78. KIM by Rudyard Kipling

92. IRONWEED by William Kennedy

66. OF HUMAN BONDAGE by W. Somerset Maugham

91. TOBACCO ROAD by Erskine Caldwell

86. RAGTIME by E.L. Doctorow

82. ANGLE OF REPOSE by Wallace Stegner

90. MIDNIGHT’S CHILDREN by Salman Rushdie

83. A BEND IN THE RIVER by V.S. Naipaul
72. A HOUSE FOR MR BISWAS by V.S. Naipaul

88. THE CALL OF THE WILD by Jack London

62. FROM HERE TO ETERNITY by James Jones

.....


VALEAS
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by t400ec
In hoc indice (Bibliothecae Modernae) centum fabularum optimarum
(anglice scriptum) invenio _Cor est venator solitarius_ non _Oppidum
instar Aliciae [Fontium]. Apud nexum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
tantum 10 fabulae describuntur sed ab eisdem criticis datur index
https://sites.prh.com/modern-library-top-100#top-100-novels
Multi sunt tales indices; in uno operibus Britannicis dicato invenio
in primum locum _Middlemarch_ a Georgio Eliot (Maria Anna Evans)
scriptum.
vale
Post by Ed Cryer
Post by Ed Cryer
Oppidum ut Alicia.
Optimi libri temporum modernorum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library%27s_100_Best_Novels
Alicia locum XVII tenet; Trustee From The Toolroom (Commissarius
Operarius) XXVII; On The Beach (In Litore) LVI.
Edus
Abos, boongs and golliwogs.
Hic liber est talibus modis appellationis repletus. Non est "woke";
quod, nisi fallor, nihil vult dicere praeter dignationem datam.
Edus
Veniam peto, Eduarde. Me culpa.
Ut scripsisti, sunt multi
Ed Cryer
2024-08-05 08:01:37 UTC
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Post by t400ec
(very idiosyncratic)
77.  FINNEGANS WAKE by James Joyce
1.     ULYSSES by James Joyce
3.     A PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS A YOUNG MAN by James Joyce
6.     THE SOUND AND THE FURY by William Faulkner
35.  AS I LAY DYING by William Faulkner
54.  LIGHT IN AUGUST by William Faulkner
8.     DARKNESS AT NOON by Arthur Koestler
12.  THE WAY OF ALL FLESH by Samuel Butler
15.  TO THE LIGHTHOUSE by Virginia Woolf
26.  THE WINGS OF THE DOVE by Henry James
32.  THE GOLDEN BOWL by Henry James
27.  THE AMBASSADORS by Henry James
46.  THE SECRET AGENT by Joseph Conrad
47.  NOSTROMO by Joseph Conrad
85. LORD JIM by Joseph Conrad
25.  A PASSAGE TO INDIA by E.M. Forster
79.  A ROOM WITH A VIEW by E.M. Forster
48.  THE RAINBOW by D.H. Lawrence
49.  WOMEN IN LOVE by D.H. Lawrence
2.     THE GREAT GATSBY by F. Scott Fitzgerald
13.  1984 by George Orwell
31.  ANIMAL FARM by George Orwell
19.  INVISIBLE MAN by Ralph Ellison
20.  NATIVE SON by Richard Wright
82.  ANGLE OF REPOSE by Wallace Stegner
41.  LORD OF THE FLIES by William Golding
42.  DELIVERANCE by James Dickey
95. UNDER THE NET by Iris Murdoch
96. SOPHIE’S CHOICE by William Styron
74.  A FAREWELL TO ARMS by Ernest Hemingway
45.  THE SUN ALSO RISES by Ernest Hemingway
68.  MAIN STREET by Sinclair Lewis
53.  PALE FIRE by Vladimir Nabokov
4.     LOLITA by Vladimir Nabokov
78.  KIM by Rudyard Kipling
92. IRONWEED by William Kennedy
66.  OF HUMAN BONDAGE by W. Somerset Maugham
91. TOBACCO ROAD by Erskine Caldwell
86. RAGTIME by E.L. Doctorow
82.  ANGLE OF REPOSE by Wallace Stegner
90. MIDNIGHT’S CHILDREN by Salman Rushdie
83. A BEND IN THE RIVER by V.S. Naipaul
72.  A HOUSE FOR MR BISWAS by V.S. Naipaul
88. THE CALL OF THE WILD by Jack London
62.  FROM HERE TO ETERNITY by James Jones
.....
Your literature list is very different from mine, Ed. I won't give my
own because it's not worth arguing about. De gustibus non est
disputandum; which I take to mean that tastes and rational
language-driven discussion have different provenances. People do defend
their tastes with words, though; you hear it all the time. They like to
portray their tastes as arising straight out of rational search; whereas
what I hear is them defending their personal tastes.
So be it. Variety is the spice of life, and I thank you for the time and
effort you gave to your list.

Ed
Ed Cryer
2024-08-05 15:24:26 UTC
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Your literature list is very different from mine, Ed. I won't give my
own because it's not worth arguing about. De gustibus non est
disputandum; which I take to mean that tastes and rational
language-driven discussion have different provenances. People do defend
their tastes with words, though; you hear it all the time. They like to
portray their tastes as arising straight out of rational search; whereas
what I hear is them defending their personal tastes.
So be it. Variety is the spice of life, and I thank you for the time and
effort you gave to your list.
Ed
Well, look what Google has shown me.
A website that shows the position of individual books on various
literary lists.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/book/107301?page=2

The Net is full of lists and list-makers. God knows just where they get
their data from, but God bless them for their interest in great literature.
Here's a list with JJ's Ulysses as third;
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/497.The_Most_Begun_Read_but_Unfinished_Started_book_ever#338798
Incidentally, I've read all the first 10 from cover to cover except for
Ulysses.

It's a commonplace of English pride that the three best-selling books in
the world are thus;
The Bible
Shakespeare
Agatha Christie

Ed
Ed Cryer
2024-08-10 17:55:10 UTC
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Post by Ed Cryer
Your literature list is very different from mine, Ed. I won't give my
own because it's not worth arguing about. De gustibus non est
disputandum; which I take to mean that tastes and rational
language-driven discussion have different provenances. People do
defend their tastes with words, though; you hear it all the time. They
like to portray their tastes as arising straight out of rational
search; whereas what I hear is them defending their personal tastes.
So be it. Variety is the spice of life, and I thank you for the time
and effort you gave to your list.
Ed
Well, look what Google has shown me.
A website that shows the position of individual books on various
literary lists.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/book/107301?page=2
The Net is full of lists and list-makers. God knows just where they get
their data from, but God bless them for their interest in great literature.
Here's a list with JJ's Ulysses as third;
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/497.The_Most_Begun_Read_but_Unfinished_Started_book_ever#338798
Incidentally, I've read all the first 10 from cover to cover except for
Ulysses.
It's a commonplace of English pride that the three best-selling books in
the world are thus;
The Bible
Shakespeare
Agatha Christie
Ed
I've often wondered about Agatha Christie's place there. I'd read a
couple of her whodunnits, and yes, they were good, but hardly literature.
But recently I read in an Anthony Horowitz book that he regarded her
"Death On The Nile" as a "masterpiece". I like his books, so I read
DOTN. And yes! It ranks as literature. In fact I'd compare it with the
great 19th century Russian and French novels; especially Dostoevsky.

Ed

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