Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song

[HenHanna]

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........

____________________

Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song


For me (and thousands of others) this was reinforced by
Paul McCartney singing....

(Someone's Ringing the Bell...)

Sister Suzie,
Brother John <---------

Martin Luther, Phil and Don
Brother Michael, auntie Gin
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah

______________________________________

Paul's aunt ("Auntie Gin")
Paul's brother ("Brother Michael")
The Everly Brothers ("Phil and Don")
Keith Moon ("Uncle Ernie")
Either John Entwistle or John Lennon ("Brother John")

"Sister Suzie" was Linda, who once recorded a song under the name "Suzie
And The Red Stripes."


______________________________

I always assumed Brother John was Beatle John. But John Eastman makes
sense!

I read a quote somewhere that John Eastman was one of only two men Paul
would listen to, the other being George Martin.

[HenHanna]

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song
For me (and thousands of others) this was reinforced by
Paul McCartney singing....
(Someone's Ringing the Bell...)
Sister Suzie,
Brother John <---------
Martin Luther, Phil and Don
Brother Michael, auntie Gin
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
______________________________________
Paul's aunt ("Auntie Gin")
Paul's brother ("Brother Michael")
The Everly Brothers ("Phil and Don")
Keith Moon ("Uncle Ernie")
Either John Entwistle or John Lennon ("Brother John")
"Sister Suzie" was Linda, who once recorded a song under the name "Suzie
And The Red Stripes."
______________________________

I always assumed Brother John was Beatle John. But John Eastman makes
sense!

I read a quote somewhere that John Eastman was one of only two men Paul
would listen to, the other being George Martin.
Sister Suzie,
Brother John <---------
Martin Luther, Phil and Don
Brother Michael, auntie Gin
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
Sister Suzie,
Brother John

seemed like characters from Nursery Rhymes.

Miss Muffet's name is Suzy or Susie Muffett.
or that Elinor Rigby became a Nun
(and became known as Sister Suzy)


Martin Luther, and
Uncle Arnie... i misheard in my head
as Albert (as in ...holes to fill the Albert Hall)

So, i saw Martin Luther and Albert Einstein (and others)
in a Sgt.Pepper like display



… And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall


_________________________

The song starts with the sound of a V. & E. Friedland Maestro
Westminster Chime doorbell, an electro-mechanical doorbell with a unique
"vibrato resonating" feature, before the rhythm begins.[5][6] The lyric
namechecks several famous people, between friends and relatives of
McCartney who, without a justified reason, knock on the door or ring the
bell of his house and he exclaims "Let 'Em In". They include McCartney's
paternal aunt Gin, his brother Michael, and Linda McCartney's brother
John. Phil and Don of the Everly Brothers are named (the duo had a hit
with "Keep A Knockin'"), along with Martin Luther,[7] who famously hung
his "95 Theses" on a church door. An Uncle Ernie is also named, being
the character Ringo Starr sang in the London Symphony Orchestra's
recording of the Who's rock opera, Tommy.[8]

[Ed Cryer]

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
   Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song
   For me  (and thousands of others)  this was reinforced by
Paul McCartney  singing....
               (Someone's  Ringing the Bell...)
               Sister Suzie,
                              Brother John <---------
                Martin Luther, Phil and Don
               Brother Michael, auntie Gin
                   Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
______________________________________
Paul's aunt ("Auntie Gin")
Paul's brother ("Brother Michael")
The Everly Brothers ("Phil and Don")
Keith Moon ("Uncle Ernie")
Either John Entwistle or John Lennon ("Brother John")
"Sister Suzie" was Linda, who once recorded a song under the name "Suzie
And The Red Stripes."
______________________________

 I always assumed Brother John was Beatle John. But John Eastman makes
sense!

I read a quote somewhere that John Eastman was one of only two men Paul
would listen to, the other being George Martin.
               Sister Suzie,
                              Brother John <---------
                Martin Luther, Phil and Don
               Brother Michael, auntie Gin
                   Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
     Sister Suzie,
                Brother John

                 seemed like characters from Nursery Rhymes.
Miss Muffet's  name is  Suzy or Susie  Muffett.
or that Elinor Rigby  became a Nun
                        (and became known as  Sister Suzy)
Martin Luther, and
           Uncle Arnie... i misheard in my head
             as  Albert   (as in ...holes to fill the Albert Hall)
So, i saw  Martin Luther and  Albert Einstein (and others)
      in a Sgt.Pepper like  display
… And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall
_________________________
The song starts with the sound of a V. & E. Friedland Maestro
Westminster Chime doorbell, an electro-mechanical doorbell with a unique
"vibrato resonating" feature, before the rhythm begins.[5][6] The lyric
namechecks several famous people, between friends and relatives of
McCartney who, without a justified reason, knock on the door or ring the
bell of his house and he exclaims "Let 'Em In". They include McCartney's
paternal aunt Gin, his brother Michael, and Linda McCartney's brother
John. Phil and Don of the Everly Brothers are named (the duo had a hit
with "Keep A Knockin'"), along with Martin Luther,[7] who famously hung
his "95 Theses" on a church door. An Uncle Ernie is also named, being
the character Ringo Starr sang in the London Symphony Orchestra's
recording of the Who's rock opera, Tommy.[8]

Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;


Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand revien

[wugi]

Post by Ed Cryer

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
   Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song
   For me  (and thousands of others)  this was reinforced by
Paul McCartney  singing....
               (Someone's  Ringing the Bell...)
               Sister Suzie,
                              Brother John <---------
                Martin Luther, Phil and Don
               Brother Michael, auntie Gin
                   Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
______________________________________
Paul's aunt ("Auntie Gin")
Paul's brother ("Brother Michael")
The Everly Brothers ("Phil and Don")
Keith Moon ("Uncle Ernie")
Either John Entwistle or John Lennon ("Brother John")
"Sister Suzie" was Linda, who once recorded a song under the name "Suzie
And The Red Stripes."
______________________________

 I always assumed Brother John was Beatle John. But John Eastman makes
sense!

I read a quote somewhere that John Eastman was one of only two men Paul
would listen to, the other being George Martin.
               Sister Suzie,
                              Brother John <---------
                Martin Luther, Phil and Don
               Brother Michael, auntie Gin
                   Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
     Sister Suzie,
                Brother John

                  seemed like characters from Nursery Rhymes.
Miss Muffet's  name is  Suzy or Susie  Muffett.
or that Elinor Rigby  became a Nun
                         (and became known as  Sister Suzy)
Martin Luther, and
            Uncle Arnie... i misheard in my head
              as  Albert   (as in ...holes to fill the Albert Hall)
So, i saw  Martin Luther and  Albert Einstein (and others)
       in a Sgt.Pepper like  display
… And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall
_________________________
The song starts with the sound of a V. & E. Friedland Maestro
Westminster Chime doorbell, an electro-mechanical doorbell with a unique
"vibrato resonating" feature, before the rhythm begins.[5][6] The lyric
namechecks several famous people, between friends and relatives of
McCartney who, without a justified reason, knock on the door or ring the
bell of his house and he exclaims "Let 'Em In". They include McCartney's
paternal aunt Gin, his brother Michael, and Linda McCartney's brother
John. Phil and Don of the Everly Brothers are named (the duo had a hit
with "Keep A Knockin'"), along with Martin Luther,[7] who famously hung
his "95 Theses" on a church door. An Uncle Ernie is also named, being
the character Ringo Starr sang in the London Symphony Orchestra's
recording of the Who's rock opera, Tommy.[8]

Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.

Same for the first one:

Frère Jaques (2x)
Dormez-vous? (2x)
Sonnent les matines (2x)

Dutch:
Broeder Jacob (2x)
Slaapt gij nog? (2x)
Hoor de klokken luiden (2x)
Bimbambom (2x)

Others?

[wugi]

Post by wugi

Post by Ed Cryer
Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.

Frère Jaques (2x)
Dormez-vous? (2x)
Sonnent les matines (2x)
Broeder Jacob (2x)
Slaapt gij nog? (2x)
Hoor de klokken luiden (2x)
Bimbambom (2x)
Others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8re_Jacques

[Peter Moylan]

Post by wugi

Post by wugi

Post by Ed Cryer
Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.

Frère Jaques (2x)
Dormez-vous? (2x)
Sonnent les matines (2x)
Broeder Jacob (2x)
Slaapt gij nog? (2x)
Hoor de klokken luiden (2x)
Bimbambom (2x)
Others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8re_Jacques

See also
http://dragon.sleepdeprived.ca/songbook/songs2/s2_26.htm
which has it in ten different languages.

[HenHanna]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by wugi

Post by wugi

Post by Ed Cryer
Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.

Frère Jaques (2x)
Dormez-vous? (2x)
Sonnent les matines (2x)
Broeder Jacob (2x)
Slaapt gij nog? (2x)
Hoor de klokken luiden (2x)
Bimbambom (2x)
Others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8re_Jacques

See also
http://dragon.sleepdeprived.ca/songbook/songs2/s2_26.htm
which has it in ten different languages.

thanks... So it's very big in China.


i've just seen a [Vader Jakob] version.


"Vader" is a Dutch word that means "father." In popular culture, it is
often associated with the character Darth Vader from the "Star Wars"
franchise, where the name has a significant narrative connection,
especially in the context of his relationship with Luke Skywalker.


--------------- what does Darth mean?



The term "Darth" is a fictional title used in the "Star Wars" universe.
It is often associated with Sith Lords, signifying their allegiance to
the dark side of the Force. The title is thought to derive from a
combination of "dark" and "death," although it doesn't have a specific
meaning outside of its use in the franchise. The name "Darth Vader," for
example, emphasizes his role as a dark and powerful figure in the
series.

[wugi]

        i've just seen a  [Vader Jakob]  version.

In Flemish it remains "Broeder Jacob". I hardly think a Vader would be
urged to get his ass up ;)

"Vader" is a Dutch word that means "father." In popular culture, it is
often associated with the character Darth Vader from the "Star Wars"
franchise, where the name has a significant narrative connection,
especially in the context of his relationship with Luke Skywalker.
---------------  what does   Darth  mean?

What does "Vader" mean?
< invader?

Anyway, the French couldn't make sense of his name and (are the only
ones to have) rebaptised him as Dark Vador.

[wugi]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by wugi

Post by wugi

Post by Ed Cryer
Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.

Frère Jaques (2x)
Dormez-vous? (2x)
Sonnent les matines (2x)
Broeder Jacob (2x)
Slaapt gij nog? (2x)
Hoor de klokken luiden (2x)
Bimbambom (2x)
Others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8re_Jacques

See also
       http://dragon.sleepdeprived.ca/songbook/songs2/s2_26.htm
which has it in ten different languages.

Around 65 here https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8re_Jacques

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Ed Cryer
Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.

The bear went over the mountain
And Jose drove the bus.

[Bebercito]

Post by Ed Cryer

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
   Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song
   For me  (and thousands of others)  this was reinforced by
Paul McCartney  singing....
               (Someone's  Ringing the Bell...)
               Sister Suzie,
                              Brother John <---------
                Martin Luther, Phil and Don
               Brother Michael, auntie Gin
                   Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
______________________________________
Paul's aunt ("Auntie Gin")
Paul's brother ("Brother Michael")
The Everly Brothers ("Phil and Don")
Keith Moon ("Uncle Ernie")
Either John Entwistle or John Lennon ("Brother John")
"Sister Suzie" was Linda, who once recorded a song under the name "Suzie
And The Red Stripes."
______________________________

 I always assumed Brother John was Beatle John. But John Eastman makes
sense!

I read a quote somewhere that John Eastman was one of only two men Paul
would listen to, the other being George Martin.
               Sister Suzie,
                              Brother John <---------
                Martin Luther, Phil and Don
               Brother Michael, auntie Gin
                   Open the door and let 'em in, yeah
     Sister Suzie,
                Brother John

                 seemed like characters from Nursery Rhymes.
Miss Muffet's  name is  Suzy or Susie  Muffett.
or that Elinor Rigby  became a Nun
                        (and became known as  Sister Suzy)
Martin Luther, and
           Uncle Arnie... i misheard in my head
             as  Albert   (as in ...holes to fill the Albert Hall)
So, i saw  Martin Luther and  Albert Einstein (and others)
      in a Sgt.Pepper like  display
… And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall
_________________________
The song starts with the sound of a V. & E. Friedland Maestro
Westminster Chime doorbell, an electro-mechanical doorbell with a unique
"vibrato resonating" feature, before the rhythm begins.[5][6] The lyric
namechecks several famous people, between friends and relatives of
McCartney who, without a justified reason, knock on the door or ring the
bell of his house and he exclaims "Let 'Em In". They include McCartney's
paternal aunt Gin, his brother Michael, and Linda McCartney's brother
John. Phil and Don of the Everly Brothers are named (the duo had a hit
with "Keep A Knockin'"), along with Martin Luther,[7] who famously hung
his "95 Theses" on a church door. An Uncle Ernie is also named, being
the character Ringo Starr sang in the London Symphony Orchestra's
recording of the Who's rock opera, Tommy.[8]

Ever hear the song "For he's a jolly good fellow"?
Well, it was ripped from a French song;
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,

"Malbrough s'en va-t-en guerre" actually, as there's an epenthetic
"t" thrown in for euphony (i.e. to avoid hiatus).

Post by Ed Cryer
Mironton, mironton, mirontaine,
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,
Ne sait quand reviendra.
Ed

--

[Ed Cryer]

Post by Bebercito

Post by Ed Cryer
Malbrough s'en va en guerre,

"Malbrough s'en va-t-en guerre" actually, as there's an epenthetic
"t" thrown in for euphony (i.e. to avoid hiatus).

Quite so.

Ed

[Jeff Barnett]

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
  Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song

I would be fascinated to what Americans you are talking about. My
experience as an American would say that you are wide of the mark. Most
American kids first heard / learned the sang as a round, first sang in
French a few times then in English often in unison as the grand finale.

I know in many parts of the world, the average citizen speaks 4.23
languages at age 12 while the average American never speaks more than
0.69 languages at any age. Despite that sad fact, most American children
learn to sing this song at school or camp at an early age and in French.
In fact, it's this song which is often called out to convince Americans
that there are languages other than English.

But I assure you I, in all the years I have been around in America, have
never seen or heard any native

[Ymir]

Post by Jeff Barnett

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
   Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song

I would be fascinated to what Americans you are talking about. My
experience as an American would say that you are wide of the mark. Most
American kids first heard / learned the sang as a round, first sang in
French a few times then in English often in unison as the grand finale.
I know in many parts of the world, the average citizen speaks 4.23
languages at age 12 while the average American never speaks more than
0.69 languages at any age. Despite that sad fact, most American children
learn to sing this song at school or camp at an early age and in French.
In fact, it's this song which is often called out to convince Americans
that there are languages other than English.
But I assure you I, in all the years I have been around in America, have
never seen or heard any native aver the Friar to be English.

As a Canadian, I can concur. This song is quintessentially French, not
British. Yes, it has an English language version, but I've never
considered that to be a British version.

André

[jerryfriedman]

Post by Jeff Barnett

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
  Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song

I would be fascinated to what Americans you are talking about. My
experience as an American would say that you are wide of the mark. Most
American kids first heard / learned the sang as a round, first sang in
French a few times then in English often in unison as the grand finale.

Interesting. I learned it as a round in French and in
English when I was in single digits, but I don't think
I've ever heard it with code-switching.

Post by Jeff Barnett
I know in many parts of the world, the average citizen speaks 4.23
languages at age 12 while the average American never speaks more than
0.69 languages at any age. Despite that sad fact, most American children
learn to sing this song at school or camp at an early age and in French.
In fact, it's this song which is often called out to convince Americans
that there are languages other than English.

..

I thought that was "Uno, dos, y tres, cuatro, cinco, seis.
Siete, ocho, nueve, I can count to diez. La la, la la la..."

(I've had some success with reciting "Jabberwocky" in
French.)

--
Jerry Friedman

--

[occam]

Post by Jeff Barnett

Post by HenHanna
Are you sleeping, are you sleeping. Brother John, brother John.
Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing...........
____________________
   Americans perceive it as a quintessentially British song

I would be fascinated to what Americans you are talking about. My
experience as an American would say that you are wide of the mark. Most
American kids first heard / learned the sang as a round, first sang in
French a few times then in English often in unison as the grand finale.
I know in many parts of the world, the average citizen speaks 4.23
languages at age 12 while the average American never speaks more than
0.69 languages at any age. Despite that sad fact, most American children
learn to sing this song at school or camp at an early age and in French.
In fact, it's this song which is often called out to convince Americans
that there are languages other than English.
But I assure you I, in all the years I have been around in America, have
never seen or heard any native aver the Friar to be English.

What Athel wrote (upthread).

The only thing I'd like to add it that Hen Hanna only speaks 0.35
English, and thinks even less - in any language.