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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:15:56 -0600
Subject: Re: "condicio" versus "conditio"
Just that if "condicio" is from "condîcere" (condeekere) then it should be
pronounced "condeekio" but it's not. Produced vowels are vocales
productae
Not necessarily or universally so. Consonant stems often change or weaken
tego>toga>tugurium.
dIcO>diciO>dicax
condIco>condicio>condicitius
Agreed, but, not having Ernout or what's his name, the German guy, I base
my observations on a kind of semi-learned folk etymology. If condîre leads
to condîtio then I don't see why condîcere doesn't produce condîcio. I
think the word has been polluted by some kind of etymological anastomosis.
Something like this may have happened to shades of meaning in the triplet
êdûcô, edîcô, êducô. If the first is "rearing" and the last is "training
for adulthood" then maybe the idea of "saying" has somehow mediated
between the two of them. It also may be that many of these correptions and
productions were introduced just to make a difference among related words,
parts of speech, etc. as in dux,ducis,duce and dûco,dûcis,dûce. Another
example is "dicis" as in dicis ergo, dicis causa.
Under "condicio" Forcellini says to see "conditio." There he says "proprie
est actus condendi, factio, opus; *fattura, opera, creazione* but then he
admits "quo sensu tamen non reperitur in usu, nisi apud Scriptores
Ecclesiasticos."
Btw, I don't find that "condicitius" but "condicticius."
Post by bobIn the case of DIcO, the original root was probably *deik-, which, by
current wisdom, resolves the diphthong (apparently stressed on the <i>
component into long <i>.
rego regio
rex rEgis rEgius rEgia rEgIna rEgAlis
With the rego/rex group we see the semantical, and possibly structural,
coalescing of two different roots: (reig?rego and rEg?rex, regius, etc.
I have found no hard and fast rule to cover all these situations.
Gildersleeve merely makes the observation of change or weakening, with no
presentation of a rule for consistently generating such changes.
With a long vowel[1][The difference in vowel-quantity in the same root (as
DUC) depends on inherited variations (see § 17. a).]: as, lúc-is (lúx), LUC;
pác-is (páx). So in verbs: dúc-ó, í-s for eis, from eó, íre; fátur from
fárí.
I found nothing better in the vowel gradation tables in Sihler, nor in his
treatment of accent and gradation in consonant stems, although he observes
interestiong structural and formative similarities vis a vis gradation
between more or less congenial languages such as O.Ir. and Latin, e,g.,
O.Ir. ri, gen. rig<* rIks, *rIgos (root*reH1g-be efficacious). However, none
of this does much for me beyond reinforcing my agnosticism and
strengthening
Post by bobmy faith, if you will, in the sight similarities. Not scientific, but the
best I can come up with at this time.
Is it my imagination, or can I hear you laughing?
Not laughing at all. In fact, I am grateful for your observations,
learning, input. I tend to give greater authority to the nineteenth
century philologists than to latter-day ones and even more to the Italian
spoken tradition than to German speculation. The Germans seem to wish to
subsume grammar under logic, which is certainly preposterous. The true
hierarchy is logic, grammar, literature, life. Each lower catagory forms
only a small part of and is only abstracted from the higher category that
engenders it. (I may have left out some intermediate categories).
Eduardus