Good book to learn latin, and "Am I Dreaming"?

[k***@gmail.com]

I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

Also, I need help translating a phrase. I think I have got it right,
but I am not sure if the words gel together (i.e. the grammar is
correct). The phrase I am looking for is "Am I Dreaming?" and pulling
from other translations, it looks like it should be something along the
lines of "Sum ego somnium?". Could someone please verify that I have
this correct.

And can I say, reading through the posts, it looks like I'll be staying
here a while. Very informative and helpful information being posted.

Thanks in advance.

Keith J.

[Daniel Hoehr]

Post by k***@gmail.com
I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

I recommend _Lingua Latina per se illustrata_ by Hans Orberg. For more
information refer to this thread:

http://tinyurl.com/drsan

Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, I need help translating a phrase. I think I have got it right,
but I am not sure if the words gel together (i.e. the grammar is
correct). The phrase I am looking for is "Am I Dreaming?" and pulling
from other translations, it looks like it should be something along the
lines of "Sum ego somnium?". Could someone please verify that I have
this correct.

I'd say

"Nonne somnio?"

Post by k***@gmail.com
And can I say, reading through the posts, it looks like I'll be staying
here a while. Very informative and helpful information being posted.

This group is a great place indeed.

Post by k***@gmail.com
Thanks in advance.
Keith J.

DH

[Ken Quirici]

Post by Daniel Hoehr

Post by k***@gmail.com
I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

I recommend _Lingua Latina per se illustrata_ by Hans Orberg. For more
http://tinyurl.com/drsan

Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, I need help translating a phrase. I think I have got it right,
but I am not sure if the words gel together (i.e. the grammar is
correct). The phrase I am looking for is "Am I Dreaming?" and pulling
from other translations, it looks like it should be something along the
lines of "Sum ego somnium?". Could someone please verify that I have
this correct.

I'd say
"Nonne somnio?"

Post by k***@gmail.com
And can I say, reading through the posts, it looks like I'll be staying
here a while. Very informative and helpful information being posted.

This group is a great place indeed.

Post by k***@gmail.com
Thanks in advance.
Keith J.

DH

Well, the noun somnium means dream, the verb somnio means to dream;
the noun somnus means sleep, the verb ???? means to sleep? Glare does
not list an alternate meaning for somnio of 'to sleep'. Do they get it
obliquely by saying

Somno sum, or In somno sum, or the like?

I can't seem to find such a citation under somnus in Glare.

Thanks.

Ken

[Daniel Hoehr]

Post by Ken Quirici

Post by Daniel Hoehr

Post by k***@gmail.com
I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

I recommend _Lingua Latina per se illustrata_ by Hans Orberg. For more
http://tinyurl.com/drsan

Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, I need help translating a phrase. I think I have got it right,
but I am not sure if the words gel together (i.e. the grammar is
correct). The phrase I am looking for is "Am I Dreaming?" and pulling
from other translations, it looks like it should be something along the
lines of "Sum ego somnium?". Could someone please verify that I have
this correct.

I'd say
"Nonne somnio?"

Post by k***@gmail.com
And can I say, reading through the posts, it looks like I'll be staying
here a while. Very informative and helpful information being posted.

This group is a great place indeed.

Post by k***@gmail.com
Thanks in advance.
Keith J.

DH

Well, the noun somnium means dream, the verb somnio means to dream;
the noun somnus means sleep, the verb ???? means to sleep?

dormio (dormire, dormio, dormivi/dormii, dormitum)

cf L&S s.v. dormio [http://tinyurl.com/aydxd]

DH

[Ken Quirici]

Post by Daniel Hoehr
dormio (dormire, dormio, dormivi/dormii, dormitum)
cf L&S s.v. dormio [http://tinyurl.com/aydxd]
DH

Ah those tricky Romans! Thanks.

Ken

[oudeis]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

If you haven't had any previous exposure to the language, a good place
to start might be this:

http://www.lingua-latina.dk/

This is about an introductory Latin course called "Lingua Latina Per Se
Illustrata". It's been recently put to use in secondary schools in many
countries in Europe, with excellent results (I hear). There is a corres-
ponding CD (and CD-ROM version) where you can hear the lessons, if
you're interested in learning how to pronounce it (approximately,
using a sort of "reconstructed" pronounciation that *tries* to be
historically accurate for the Classic period).

Once you've become more familiar with the language, you'll want a more
"traditional" textbook, ie, one that explains morphology and syntaxis
with more detail. There are plenty of these.

Note that this, like almost all other courses, will teach you how to
read the language (and maybe write it). "Living", or spoken Latin
courses are vastly more scarce (as it should be for a dead language).

Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, I need help translating a phrase. I think I have got it right,
but I am not sure if the words gel together (i.e. the grammar is
correct). The phrase I am looking for is "Am I Dreaming?" and pulling
from other translations, it looks like it should be something along the
lines of "Sum ego somnium?". Could someone please verify that I have
this correct.

You've written "Am I a dream?".

How to ask your question in Latin depends among other things on whether
you're expecting a negative response. For example:

"Somnione (ego)?" - a plain "Am I dreaming?"
"Num (ego) somnio?" - "I'm not dreaming, am I?".
"An (ego) somnio?" - "Could it be that I'm dreaming?"
"Somnio, nonne?" - "I'm dreaming, aren't I?"

Post by k***@gmail.com
And can I say, reading through the posts, it looks like I'll be staying
here a while. Very informative and helpful information being posted.
Thanks in advance.
Keith J.

[Daniel Hoehr]

Post by oudeis
How to ask your question in Latin depends among other things on whether
"Somnione (ego)?" - a plain "Am I dreaming?"
"Num (ego) somnio?" - "I'm not dreaming, am I?".

Of course, this is better and makes more sense than my version since the
expected answer to "Am I dreaming?" can hardly be the affirmative and
hence "nonne" would not be a good option.

"Num somnio?"

is my personal favourite.

Post by oudeis
"An (ego) somnio?" - "Could it be that I'm dreaming?"
"Somnio, nonne?" - "I'm dreaming, aren't I?"

DH

[k***@gmail.com]

So... as my first lesson in Latin...

It looks like "ego" (I) is actually optional, or implied, and is not
required when talking about oneself.

Thanks all for the help and links to the lessons, my studies will begin
very soon.

KJ

[J. W. Love]

Post by k***@gmail.com
It looks like "ego" (I) is actually optional, or implied, and is not
required when talking about oneself.

Yes in this case, because it's already there, in the ending (_-o_) of
_somnio,_ which tells us that the person(s) doing the dreaming is 'I',
the first person singular.

[Daniel Hoehr]

Post by k***@gmail.com
So... as my first lesson in Latin...
It looks like "ego" (I) is actually optional, or implied, and is not
required when talking about oneself.

Indeed. Generally speaking, there is no need to use any personal
pronoun in Latin since it is already implied in the inflections of the
verb. Thus: --

amo -- I love
amas - you love
amat - he/she/it loves
amamus - we love
amatis - you (plural) love
amant - they love

The personal pronouns (ego, tu, etc.) are only used to add emphasis,
otherwise they are "included" in the verb.

Post by k***@gmail.com
Thanks all for the help and links to the lessons, my studies will begin
very soon.

Welcome aboard :-)

Post by k***@gmail.com
KJ

DH

[Daniel Hoehr]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

If you haven't had any previous exposure to the language, a good place
http://www.lingua-latina.dk/
This is about an introductory Latin course called "Lingua Latina Per Se
Illustrata". It's been recently put to use in secondary schools in many
countries in Europe, with excellent results (I hear). There is a corres-
ponding CD (and CD-ROM version) where you can hear the lessons, if
you're interested in learning how to pronounce it (approximately,
using a sort of "reconstructed" pronounciation that *tries* to be
historically accurate for the Classic period).

I didn't realise we recommended the same book.

How can I get hold of the CD?

DH

[oudeis]

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Post by k***@gmail.com
I have been interested in Latin for some time, and would love to learn
it. Can anybody recommend a good book to learn from?

If you haven't had any previous exposure to the language, a good place
http://www.lingua-latina.dk/
This is about an introductory Latin course called "Lingua Latina Per Se
Illustrata". It's been recently put to use in secondary schools in many
countries in Europe, with excellent results (I hear). There is a corres-
ponding CD (and CD-ROM version) where you can hear the lessons, if
you're interested in learning how to pronounce it (approximately,
using a sort of "reconstructed" pronounciation that *tries* to be
historically accurate for the Classic period).

I didn't realise we recommended the same book.
How can I get hold of the CD?
DH

http://www.lingua-latina.dk/index2.htm

There's a downloadable demo somewhere else in the server which you
might like to try first.

[n***@gmail.com]

As a first text, I'd recommend Sharpley's *Teach Yourself Beginner's
Latin*, which does a fantastic job of explaining the basics of grammar
in Latin, and introduces paradigms gradually so that you learn them
without having to memorize huge lists all at once. It's also full of
readings and practise exercises

After your introductory text, you'll want something that teaches the
language more substantially, to get you to the point where you can read
real Classical texts with the aid of a dictionary (this is your aim,
right?). *Wheelock's Latin* is a fairly standard text in North America;
here in Britain, universities prefer the *Reading Latin* series from
the JACT. (I used Wheelock way back when, and while I loved it at the
time, on starting university I realised how poorly it had prepared me
to read texts; I used the JACT's Reading Greek course with a far better
result.)

Neeraj Mathur

[Kevin O'Donnell]

In the Vulgate Genesis (40-41): Joseph and dream interpretation the
expression "somnium videre" is used... Num somnium video?


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The phrase I am looking for is "Am I Dreaming?" and pulling

Post by k***@gmail.com
from other translations, it looks like it should be something along the
lines of "Sum ego somnium?". Could someone please verify that I have
this correct...
Thanks in advance.
Keith J.